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13 comments:
Je vous maudis infidèle, pour les musulmans de raillerie avec une image de mon oncle !
My french is rusty, hope I got that right.
The pictures were ridiculous.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean insulting someone's religion.
The prophet peace be upon him is dear to us. And as Muslims, we aren't allowed to meant to draw pictures of other prophets e.g. Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and we are not allowed to disrespect other religions.
Freedom of speech definitely means one is free to insult whatever they see fit.
What it doesn't mean is that you are guaranteed an audience.
Don't project your religion's restrictions onto a democratic society as a whole. Thankfully, not everyone follows a stifling religious mindset. And if I'm not mistaken, the Koran isn't exactly chummy or respectful to other religions. Go here
http://unicorn.phoenixrising-web.net/shelp/islamandinfidel.htm to see when it is acceptable to kill them.
Respect my ass.
Muslim!
I welcome your comments here. Unlike you, however, I feel the cartoons were merely "tasteless".
The burning of embassies, firebombing all things nordic and threatening to execute people...THAT IS RIDICULOUS! And offensive to anyone with common sense and decency. Muslim's may not be allowed to depict images of any prophets, but I am certain that this edict does not apply to non-Muslims.
The silent majority of level minded Muslim people should be offended by the actions of their radical brethren, and do something about the violent, murderous riots.
VL
Hey Verge,
I don't think level headed Muslims can do anything about their irrational and violent brethren, at least not any more than level headed Americans can do anything about their irrational and violent brethren, including the ones who are in the White House. I completely agree that all of this has taken on a ridiculous extremist tone, everyone should know by now that the Danes, well known for their Industrial Design, teak ships, and wind power, are not reputed for their sense of humour.
And now for a plug fro my blog: visit www.dewintertime.blogspot.com for my take on this insanity.
Muslim culture is essentially religious. Islam is at the core of their society. They are theocrats. We know that, so publishing sacreligious cartoons of the Prophet is bound to be inflamatory. We know it will bring crazed fundamentalists into the street bent on revenge. I mean they arn't exactly Budists are they?
Sounds like we are intent on getting a rise out of this most irrational section of Islamic society. What for?
Verge, I think I know what happened to your comment. I edited my piece in Word, deleted the existing post on Blogspot and added the new one. I am thinking that when a post is deleted the comments go with it. Damn! I look forward to your insightful critiques. Can you tell me again your thoughts on my FCUK article? Thanks T
Verge-
Very few reader's will undertand the significance, and wit of your "Ceci n'est pas Mohammed" reference.
Maybe you should add a link to the surrealiste artist Rene Magritte's painting entitled:
"Ceci n'est pas un Pipe"
Just a thought?
BTW I laughed "mon tete" off!
That's the cartoon? That's it?!
The Muslim world has MANY reasons to be outraged against the Western World. Bombing one of their countries back into the stoneage for nor reason [WMD?] would be a reasonable place to start.
But this cartoon?
Talk about choosing the wrong jihad.
Confused
eggo
Pardon this troll, but I have posted protest images galore at my site just this morning. The number of protests between sat and sun will astonish you. The media doesn't dare give such an all-inclusive report.
Dear Vergelimbo,
My Friend, before I leave the "Western World" to teach, learn and live among the people of "Communist China," to use Lou Dobbs' profoundly confused and simplistic phraseology, I would like to respond briefly to your blog of Feb. 7 bearing the title, "Mohammed Cartoon Violence Spreads: 'Retreat of Common Sense Noted By Observers In Muslim World'!" I understand that it isn't strictly "necessary" to repeat verbatim your title, but I do so for a reason. The reason is that I think this title is itself remarkably telling of the politics and ideological mystifications at work in this "controversy" as it has been "covered" in the dominant media, including "funny news" folks like John Stewart ("The Daily Show") and "clever" blogs not unlike your own. Don't get me wrong, ... I do "appreciate" the humorous insight of your blog-work, just as I "appreciate" the "funny" news-spin of John Stewart and his buddy ("crony"?) Steven Colbert ("The Colbert Report"). But my point is that such "appreciation" comes with a price and with, I think, rather serious implications and consequences in terms of our ways of "critically" grasping and struggling to understand today's world. In this light, I would give my own comment here the following heading:
NO RETREAT OF COMMON SENSE IN THE "WESTERN WORLD"
What I mean is that it is precisely this sort of humorous and infinitely spinning "common sense" that is STOKING -- rather than critically grasping "by the root," as Marx said -- the widespread hatred and violence in today's world. Your title, for example, rehearses a postmodern parody of a title by pretending to "quote" from a "news" title that in fact does not exist ("Retreat of Common Sense Noted By Observers In Muslim World"). Given the format and general aims of your blog, it is of course "obvious" that this "title" is itself a fabrication drawn together from the "common sense" of the dominant (Western, bourgeois) discourses themselves. Thus, it is not surprising that what lies BEHIND the obviousness of this para-title is the assumption that "common sense" itself is somehow automatically "the answer" to the violent eruptions that have been (at least on a surface level) touched off by the "funny" Danish cartoons.
But you see, "common sense" is exactly NOT "the answer" to such conflicts. No matter how "clever" one gets in the vast arena of the commonsensical, it all still amounts to this simple formula: GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT. Those "observers" cited in your para-title, themselves (who are they, where are they -- aren't "they" YOU?...) seem to be distinctly "Western" (i.e., bourgeois, middle-class) in their views. I say this because, again, in your "clever" parody on Magritte's "pipe," you pose the question, "Is there any wonder why the Western World believes the Muslim World to be irrational, radical and prone to violence?" Here again, again and again -- you see how spin-"knowledge" incessantly feeds on itself like a wild animal caught in a trap? -- there is no rational inquiry, no critical and self-critical reflection, behind the presupposition that the "Western World believes" one thing or another about the "Muslim World." Indeed it is not a mere coincidence that you use upper case letters to designate these two great poles of intelligibility and being. When you pose this enormously serious question, again there is only (Western, bourgeois, middle-class) "common sense" to justify the polarity you set up and relegitimate.
Do YOU seriously "believe" that YOU speak on behalf of, and YOU can summarize in one fell swoop what the "Western World believes"? Indeed, what IS the "Western World" in the first place? What IS the "Muslim World" in the first place? How do we understand such concepts? And do they truly help us understand in a CRITICAL way -- not a commonsensical way -- what people around the world "believe" and think about things, and more importantly WHY they "believe" and think the way they (and we) do?
So you see, if, as your "observers" report, there is a "Retreat of Common Sense ... In [the] Muslim World," there is NO RETREAT OF COMMON SENSE in the "Western World," is there? On the contrary, what we have precisely is this heavy advance, this all-out attack of and on behalf of "common sense" devoid of critical reflection and devoid of even the faintest recognition of the fact that this is an attack of the HAVES upon the HAVE NOTS of today's world. And all under the great banner of "freedom of speech." Well you can HAVE your bourgeois-"democratic" freedom of speech, but as Mao said: When you "speak," have you genuinely "investigated" the thing about which you speak? Again, who really are those "observers"? If the "Muslim World" is attacked ideologically by an irrational and hateful "cartoon," a "radical" example of "freedom of speech," what right does the "Western World" have in turning around and accusing the "Muslim World" of being essentially irrational and "prone to violence"? Is this not a very "clever" way of merely blaming the victim?
In closing this long comment, which by the way is "long" because I reject "spin" and "common sense," let me recommend a recent speech given by the famous American actor Richard Dreyfuss at the National Press Club on Feb. 16, if it is available or in the event that it may be re-aired (see http://www.press.org/ and www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp?). Dreyfuss of course is a neo-liberal with "left" tendencies (i.e., he is no Socialist or Communist), but indeed he is THINKING in these times, and I found his talk extremely interesting, even moving, as an impassioned call for critical, rational reflection. I wish you the best with your blog(s), and perhaps you could even find a way to post Dreyfuss' talk on your new "limbovision" site. And I thank you for hosting my comments. Let us remember the late Kurt Cobain's infamous commentary on his times and ours: "Here we are now ... entertain us ... cause we're stupid ..." Let's not use our "freedom of speech" to perpetuate stupidity.
JDL
My alter-ego, anonymous, placed quotation marks around 67 words and phrases.
Has Chris Farley risen from the dead? Or has my alter-ego gone the road of the worm orobouros, following clowns like Derrida and deMan into the renunciation of shared meaning?
Bless their sacred hearts, every Marxist critic I've known believes that the resolution of crisis lies in the way you talk about it. Verge, thank you for your site: f em if they can't take a joke.
As to the terrorists without a sense of humor, who are quicker to act than talk...I'm glad to know that such matters are way above my province.
I live in Ireland and the extreemists some of whom are possible ex Irish terrorists are threatening this country. ever since the Islamic revival in Iran Muslims have been growing in their resentment for western culture, the teachings in the Koran permit this violence and Islam has had its crusaders through the centuries also. Many Muslim counteries are still in the middle ages and this part due to colonisism but part to the Islamic mindset. read their material if you doubt what is being said. With this in mind it is still important to note that only a small minority of the overall number of Muslims are extreemist but when that ten percent of over a billion Muslims adds up to a few hundred million hate filled people then the world just might be in trouble. and these radicles are everywhere!! [global]
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